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hello everyone and welcome to the

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antique auction forum podcast I'm Martin

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will usher host and we have a great show

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for you today I was actually supposed to

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do this show on location but you know a

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little thing called a virus very little

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thing got in the way

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so I'm via zoom with the curator Rob

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burski and we're gonna be talking about

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the Transportation Museum I've been

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there it's right up the road from me

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actually

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beautiful location I was there at the

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auction last year it was fascinating to

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say the least

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Rob welcome to the show oh thanks for

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having me my pleasure to be here

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Rob like I said unfortunately I can't be

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there to do this show would have been

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really great to have some video right

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there in the museum and all that but it

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is what it is can you tell the listening

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audience that is not familiar this show

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does go out all over the country a

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little bit about the museum and how it

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got its start so we've been around for

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about 45 years in the mid 1970s Jim

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Rockefeller and Tom Watson who was the

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chairman of IBM they both lived around

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here in Midcoast Maine and they were

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both passionate about old airplanes and

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cars and anything mechanical and so they

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they thought to themselves hey maybe we

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could open up a museum and have a place

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where all the old planes and cars could

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be run for the public and right about

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the same time in the 1970s the airport

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which is now Knox County Regional

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Airport the airport had three runways

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and one of the runways was being shut

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down for flight operations and it was

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going to be turned into an industrial

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park and that project didn't happen but

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what that meant was there was a spot at

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the airport with runway access that

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could be done anything that a good plan

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had

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and so it turned into a fortuitous spot

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and timing to put up a small hangar

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bring out an old airplane and see if the

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public wanted to see the old planes and

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cars running and it was a fantastic

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success so the museum started with just

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a small 3,000 square-foot hangar one one

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airplane and two cars and started

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putting on shows every summer and now

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we're we're a hundred plus acre campus

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we've got about a dozen buildings we

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have over a hundred vehicles when it

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comes to cars airplanes motorcycles and

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then we've got another ten to twelve

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thousand other artifacts books parts art

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all sorts of things so I mean over 45

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years we've gone from literally a dirt

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road to a sprawling complex of

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transportation history Wow yeah and

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there's it's great because you know all

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the car museums I've been to in the past

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and I did one of these podcasts actually

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with the I want to say the Blackhawk

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Museum and in the East Bay of out in

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California in the San Francisco Bay Area

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beautiful Museum very unusual cars but

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they focus on cars you know this is

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pretty rare where you focus on

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transportation are there other museums

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like this that you're aware of not

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really I mean it from that perspective

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you know III came in previous positions

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I've worked for multiple aviation

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museums and you know and that's the

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thing at those museums we had airplanes

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we didn't have cars and it's the same

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vice versa

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it's you know it's it's a hard thing to

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do in the first place just you know to

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even even if we weren't operating you

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know there's that's just a lot more

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stuff to manage and care for and diverse

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skill sets and and people to have around

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so yeah there's really very few museums

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transportation fields as it were it

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almost seems to me like that would be

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kind of a maintenance nightmare because

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of the variety that you have how is that

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all handled so that's the part where you

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know we can we can kind of specialize

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you know in the sense that part of the

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ways that we take care of our

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collections is we have an aviation

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workshop and we have an automotive

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workshop you know for each of those

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shops we have a full-time conservator

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who keeps track of everything but both

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are our aircraft conservator and our

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automotive conservator they both have

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their teams of volunteers they each have

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50 to 75 volunteers in any given time

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who do a lot of the work you know

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there's volunteers who all they do is

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they come in and they polish cars and

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make sure that brass shines and make

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sure the tires are filled with air and

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then we have guys who are able to

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fabricate parts out of nothing to make

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these cars and planes keep on going so

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you know that that's where you know you

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kind of have some separate separate

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sphere stuff kind of going on but you

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know it it still takes a lot of

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coordination very very often you know

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when an airplane needs to get moved the

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automotive guys are being sought out to

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give a hand with that speaking of that

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are any of the are a number of the

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airplanes are they flyable at this point

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oh yeah yes we have when it comes to

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aircraft we have about 16 to 20 aircraft

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in our collection and about 12 of them

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fly right now we've got and we've got

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four more that are being restored and

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maintained in order to get them flying

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hopefully by the end of the year but you

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know we've just lost a month of work so

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yes yep time lands change

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Yeah right right now what are your

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thoughts on something that you know I've

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heard some people say the purest perhaps

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that you can over restore a vehicle

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and what just your opinion on that what

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we definitely consider that when when

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we're working on stuff particularly

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since we are going to to run things you

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know it's a it's a very particular

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question for us where look we could we

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could do everything exactly right - the

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way that vehicle came off the assembly

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line in in 1912 but we may now have also

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made the car so fragile that we can't

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demonstrate it and we can't show it to

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the public and we can't let people

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experience it as it functioned in the

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worlds you know so that's that's the

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part where it's like you know you know

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one of one of the things that I tell

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visitors when they're when they ask how

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much of your collection actually runs

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it's like if it leaks it works you know

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if we were to do everything perfectly

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exactly right then we'd also be draining

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everything and pickling everything and

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we wouldn't be able to operate you just

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we wouldn't be able to take the risk of

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even the paint getting chipped that

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can't what about that what is the most

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unusual thing that you have in the

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museum the most unusual thing you know

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in a lot of ways it depends because we

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have so many different collections you

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know I mean we've got bicycles and there

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are just bicycle museums out there in

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the world that sort of thing

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yeah you know it a lot of it depends on

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on the the person and the clash given

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what I think is the most unusual is

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those those things in the museum that

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that kind of are at these moments have

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change and are and are very they are

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very just you know they're showing

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exactly when things went from one thing

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to another so like from that perspective

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one of the things that

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is really unusual in the museum is we

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have a a Hulsing Fontenoy wheelchair and

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you wouldn't think that a wheelchair

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would be in a Transportation Museum when

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Model T's and things like that but the

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thing is that this was a wheelchair that

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was designed in the and built in the

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1920s and 30s for for the four survivors

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of Pope and so what it is is that it's

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it's a three wheeled wheelchair that has

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levers that that then the users the user

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is gonna pump with their arms and it

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even has fully articulated steering so

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you twist the handles on this wheelchair

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in order to steer the front wheel and so

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of before we had a solution to polio

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there was this attempt and a successful

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one at that for for polio survivors to

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be mobile and independent and free to

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move about

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it's got bicycle tires on it I think

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Coulson made bicycles alongside all of

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this they innovated it's got full spring

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systems on it so you can go for you know

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on a bumpy bumpy road this thing's

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perfectly comfortable how about that

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that's all and I think and you know what

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they stopped making these sorts of

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wheelchairs after polio was solved in

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the 1950s but there are now other

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companies today that are making these

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sorts of lever wheelchairs again for for

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our paraplegics and things like that you

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know once again it's the same thing

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they're using bicycle parts and

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assembling them in a different way to

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give people independence okay what what

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what's old is new again yeah

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is there ever any like gray line like

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the way you just mentioned this is there

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any gray areas between

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what's transportation and what's not you

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know like that

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to me I I do understand the the

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transportation but let's say something

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gets into pleasures that's still

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considered like about you a boat is

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considered or can be considered pleasure

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but it's still transportation I mean do

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you ever have any you know thoughts of

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where where the lines are I think in

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that sense of we're constantly having to

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draw lines that that are are in some

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ways they're there they're always

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somewhat arbitrary you know because it

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it all comes down to how somebody uses

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something and and and from that

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perspective then for us it's more about

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is it is it a story that we're able to

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tell appropriately and is it a thing

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that we're able to take care of you know

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so like from that perspective we don't

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collect boats we are a landlocked museum

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and there are plenty of other boat

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museums in the area yeah so we just let

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that one go yeah but the same time

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plenty of people come to the museum and

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say hey you're Transportation Museum

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where are the boats well I saw them at

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your auction last year there were some

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beauties so they do at least get to the

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auction and we'll talk about the auction

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a little bit later it was really quite

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exciting what about the is it called

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like the orin orin Thopter horn hop der

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or something like that

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the ornithopter yeah yeah talk about

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that because that's a wild looking thing

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right yeah and they say yeah the

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ornithopter was with this whole class of

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aircraft that were made you know in in

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the 1800s and even after the Wright

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brothers flew where you had all sorts of

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inventors who were looking at flight and

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saying well if we can make a vehicle

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that flaps like the bird then we should

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be able to fly like a bird and and so we

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have one of these few ornithopters that

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actually survived it was

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it was made in the early 1900s in

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Pennsylvania and it's this wood Magon

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frame I guess is the best way to put it

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you know when you when you're trying to

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do it without standing next to it and in

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the middle of it there there's a seat

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and an engine and then a top you've got

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four wings that when you pull down on

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the front wings

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you know the back ones go up and they

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kind of seesaw back and forth and it's

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basically got on this big wood frame of

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these wings is basically chicken wire

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and then turkey feathers in order to try

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and create some idea of lifts oh my

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goodness the the motor would make the

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wings flap back and forth it would have

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theoretically taken off has have you

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ever seen video of one of those actually

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lifting those those early ornithopters

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those those things you know if they get

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off the ground it's because they're

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shaking and shimmying so much vibrate a

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few inches off the ground yeah so the

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thing that I find really interesting

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about weren't athough trees is they're

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actually in recent years there has been

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success in making ornithopters the it's

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a it's an aeronautical engineering

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department in Canada I've been drunk

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blunt on the school right now but they

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made an ornithopter a few years ago and

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it shows that the the idea is sound who

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was that in the early 1900s they didn't

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have the materials what they're doing

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now is they're using carbon fiber and

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really light foam and saran wrap and

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things like that to create a strong but

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flapping structure so maybe maybe in the

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future we all will have ornithopter just

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when we get the material technology to

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catch up oh that is so funny

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I know they had you know when they the

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very the pioneers of the helicopter they

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had

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a really difficult time because the

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blade would go through and make up air

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pocket for the second blade to come

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around and so they had to make it so

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that the blade you know kind of like

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goes back and forth like that in order

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to to actually really work but they you

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know think of all the trials and errors

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that they had and you know on any type

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of plane or any type of aviation yeah

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yeah pretty scary so yeah let's let's

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talk a little bit about the the vehicles

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in in each category like for instance I

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think the ornithopter would probably be

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one of the most interesting things you

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have in aviation but well as what else

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do you have an aviation that's really

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interesting well I mean in that sense

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like when you're talking about

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helicopters we have we have only one

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helicopter in our collection and it's

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actually a prototype helicopter that

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that did not succeed because of the kind

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of these issues that you were talking

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about it's a it's it's called the the

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helico speedster and it was made by a

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Austrian arms dealer who got and who

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poached an engineer from Sikorsky and so

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when you look at the helico speedster

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you see a lot of the same stuff the same

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kind of fabric over a tubular frame that

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you have with the early sikorsky's and

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ours is from the middle World War two

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about 1944 and the idea was actually

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they were trying to the goal was to put

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a jet engine on it but jet technology

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was not there yet the jet engine was was

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too big and heavy to lift anything at

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that point so they had to transition to

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you know a piston engine and it failed

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not because there's anything wrong with

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design but basically because of

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personality conflicts between the two

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guys you know and so if it's it's

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interesting in that sense that you know

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perhaps you would have had some some

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viable competition Force of course

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in those early days if if people if

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those two guys had been able to overcome

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their differences essentially this isn't

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that funny you know I've said a number

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of times on this show that you know the

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the the story of an object a lot of

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times makes it really fascinating or

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interesting and in some cases valuable

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so I'd like to hear some of the stories

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or let's start out with the most

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interesting story related to any of the

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interesting the vehicle stories I mean

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I'd say one of the one of the the most

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popular things that we have in the

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museum is a we have a an early 1900s

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gypsy wagon you know the kind of of you

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know brightly colored horse-drawn wagons

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that Roma people would have lived in for

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for many years you know and and so

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that's you know right off the bat the

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thing that is very interesting about it

389
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is traditionally when a Roma person dies

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part of the funeral is burning the wagon

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so so the fact that ours survived shows

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that even though we don't know who owned

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it and and and what happened to them you

394
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know we we already know that something

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unusual happened because this somehow

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survived and same time it's it's a

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really interesting snapshot for people

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when they come into the museum because

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you know it's ours is bright red all of

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our red vehicles are really popular ones

401
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in the first place they really stand out

402
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but this is also one where you look at

403
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it and you can see you know how how you

404
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know unusual the life of a Roma person

405
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is and was I mean they they have a very

406
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small living space but it still ornate

407
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its person

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they you know they clearly are are

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passionate about the way they live in in

410
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when you look at what's inside it's

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still there's lots of fine fabrics and

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quality materials and things like that

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Wow so you know it's not it's not like

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they're they're living in in poor

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conditions as it were you know so it's

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this fascinating snapshot of whole life

417
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and and once again from today's

418
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perspective is that the tiny house

419
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movement is something that people talk

420
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about a lot you look at it you're like

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this is not all that far off from the

422
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tiny houses that people are looking at

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moving into today right right I know

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there's a movement there when I was in

425
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there last year I started reading about

426
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the first the first car theft it was a

427
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woman

428
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yeah did you tell that story that that

429
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was an us thats an awesome story yeah

430
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Bertha Benz yeah we have a a replica of

431
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the Benz patent wagon which Karl Benz

432
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who you know if people are unfamiliar

433
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with cars you know it's the Benz of

434
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Mercedes Benz so Karl Benz is really the

435
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the first successful automobile from

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this perspective you know he he does the

437
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the the perfect matching of the internal

438
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combustion engine with a a3 non

439
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horse-drawn chassis as it were and in

440
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the first place it's a fascinating thing

441
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when you look at it because it is it's

442
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very much this fragile vehicle with very

443
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tall spindly wheels the engine is

444
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mounted right behind this very small

445
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bench seat and the flywheel is this big

446
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big you know four foot across spinning

447
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piece of metal it's not you know it's

448
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one of those moments OSHA would not

449
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approve of this if this is the sort of

450
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thing that you would happen today

451
00:22:20,390 --> 00:22:17,880
because it's spinning or right behind

452
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the driver you know a couple hundred

453
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times a minute and so the the theft

454
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story is that his wife Burt Burt appends

455
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she decided that she and the kids were

456
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going to go visit her parents about

457
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fifty miles away from where they were

458
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living

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and so she loaded up the kids and they

460
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say it's a single bench seat and it's a

461
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tiller steer so it's like a rudder boat

462
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rudder to steer it loaded up the kids

463
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and are dropped and she's driving in

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1890s you know 1887 you know over dirt

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roads through towns and villages places

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that have never seen an automobile

467
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before because it never existed you know

468
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and part of this journey is also they

469
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run out of gas and of course you know

470
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there's no there's no such thing as a

471
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gas station there's no need for one

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but fortunately fuel kerosene is is sold

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in pharmacies in general stores because

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it's essentially the same stuff that

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people are lighting their homes with so

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Byrd is able to go into a shop and and

477
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get a quart of fuel to finish the

478
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journey so so yeah basically the the

479
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inventor of the of the modern automobile

480
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also had it stolen by his wife I don't

481
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know I love the I don't know if you've

482
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ever watched Ken Burns Horatio's Drive

483
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mm-hmm yeah I'd love that story first

484
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actually transcontinental trip this car

485
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and what they went through on the way is

486
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just totally amazing - and it was all

487
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because of $100 bet or something like

488
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that it's a great show yeah yeah I love

489
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it they have the car on display at the

490
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Smithsonian yeah and it's one of my

491
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favorite things at the Smithsonian's

492
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American History Museum because they

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have it posed with mannequins with the

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the Horatio's dog in in the front seat

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of the car and they're stuck in a ditch

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and it's and it's just beautiful and on

497
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top of it they have the goggles that the

498
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dog wore on in the exhibit that's

499
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awesome that's awesome

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now I know someone

501
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would want to ask this question and I

502
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don't know if you know you probably know

503
00:24:58,480 --> 00:24:49,670
what's the most valuable thing that you

504
00:25:01,270 --> 00:24:58,490
have in the museum you know I'm you know

505
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for us you know the biggest issue when

506
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it comes to value is that you know since

507
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we we don't sell our collections you

508
00:25:14,020 --> 00:25:11,570
know it's almost impossible to put a

509
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value on things because the thing is if

510
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something were to happen to our museum

511
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and we have to go replace our vehicles

512
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we can't write you know it's like we

513
00:25:29,170 --> 00:25:26,930
have a 1918 Model T fire truck that was

514
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used by the Farmington fire department

515
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here in Maine you know so that's the

516
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thing if something happens to that sure

517
00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:35,780
we can go out and get another Model T

518
00:25:42,070 --> 00:25:37,970
fire truck you know that's that's a

519
00:25:43,330 --> 00:25:42,080
relatively easy thing but it's not the

520
00:25:45,490 --> 00:25:43,340
Farmington fire truck

521
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it doesn't have that history of of a

522
00:25:51,370 --> 00:25:47,900
Maine community making that position

523
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from a horse-drawn fire pump to an

524
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internal-combustion one yeah yeah I know

525
00:26:00,070 --> 00:25:57,260
a lot of things are just as an appraiser

526
00:26:02,350 --> 00:26:00,080
myself I've run into that you know what

527
00:26:04,540 --> 00:26:02,360
I did an appraisal last year at the

528
00:26:06,610 --> 00:26:04,550
school of the blind with Helen Keller's

529
00:26:09,130 --> 00:26:06,620
first letter you know I mean how do you

530
00:26:11,260 --> 00:26:09,140
put a price on something like that it's

531
00:26:13,540 --> 00:26:11,270
really tough but I mean do you is there

532
00:26:15,970 --> 00:26:13,550
a Bugatti or something really do you

533
00:26:18,310 --> 00:26:15,980
have something really unique as far as

534
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:18,320
vehicles go I mean we have a lot of

535
00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:20,090
unique vehicles in that sense I mean we

536
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:25,850
have a 1907 Vanderbilt Renault racecar

537
00:26:33,430 --> 00:26:30,530
Wow this is one of five surviving cars

538
00:26:36,340 --> 00:26:33,440
that Willie K Vanderbilt had ordered

539
00:26:39,430 --> 00:26:36,350
from Renault in order to start racing

540
00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:39,440
here in the United States Wow you know

541
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:41,770
so and that's thing only you know I

542
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:44,090
can't remember the exact number ten or

543
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:45,410
twelve of them were built in the first

544
00:26:50,050 --> 00:26:47,450
place you know and he convinced all of

545
00:26:52,750 --> 00:26:50,060
his his rich buddies to buy them so that

546
00:26:55,060 --> 00:26:52,760
they could start doing racing you know

547
00:26:55,389 --> 00:26:55,070
so so from that perspective you know the

548
00:26:56,709 --> 00:26:55,399
fact

549
00:27:00,399 --> 00:26:56,719
there's only one of but you know it's

550
00:27:03,399 --> 00:27:00,409
only one of five left ours is one of the

551
00:27:05,619 --> 00:27:03,409
few that's also part of a public

552
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:05,629
collection most of them are in private

553
00:27:11,799 --> 00:27:08,450
hands so we're one of the few places

554
00:27:19,060 --> 00:27:11,809
where you can go any day of the week

555
00:27:20,859 --> 00:27:19,070
that come in and you can look at the cut

556
00:27:23,549 --> 00:27:20,869
one of the cars that got racing started

557
00:27:26,619 --> 00:27:23,559
in America Wow racing started in America

558
00:27:30,039 --> 00:27:26,629
yeah that's a big deal yeah

559
00:27:31,719 --> 00:27:30,049
and what are just name off a couple of

560
00:27:34,899 --> 00:27:31,729
some of the other rare cars and and

561
00:27:40,709 --> 00:27:34,909
motorcycles if you would mm-hmm

562
00:27:46,389 --> 00:27:43,329
sometimes it's like you know what isn't

563
00:27:49,019 --> 00:27:46,399
rare yeah yeah you know because it's

564
00:27:53,099 --> 00:27:49,029
like when it comes to aircraft we have

565
00:27:58,180 --> 00:27:53,109
one of the Pitcairn male wings and a

566
00:28:01,570 --> 00:27:58,190
Pitcairn was the predecessor of Eastern

567
00:28:05,969 --> 00:28:01,580
Airlines patron started making airplanes

568
00:28:11,229 --> 00:28:05,979
in the 1920s in order to fly airmail

569
00:28:12,639 --> 00:28:11,239
along the East Coast and and spoke these

570
00:28:14,829 --> 00:28:12,649
were the planes where they were starting

571
00:28:16,839 --> 00:28:14,839
to build up more capacity you know it

572
00:28:19,509 --> 00:28:16,849
can carry in the 1920s and 30s it could

573
00:28:20,950 --> 00:28:19,519
carry you know maybe 700 pounds of mail

574
00:28:24,039 --> 00:28:20,960
but it could also be converted to carry

575
00:28:26,919 --> 00:28:24,049
3 passengers and over time

576
00:28:29,759 --> 00:28:26,929
Pitcairn is able to build bigger and

577
00:28:33,639 --> 00:28:29,769
bigger aircraft and also improve service

578
00:28:35,409 --> 00:28:33,649
throughout the southeast and ours is

579
00:28:39,219 --> 00:28:35,419
particularly special because it came

580
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:39,229
from the Pitcairn family so not he did

581
00:28:44,079 --> 00:28:41,450
are there very few Pitcairn's left in

582
00:28:45,969 --> 00:28:44,089
the world but ours came essentially

583
00:28:49,479 --> 00:28:45,979
straight from the source you know which

584
00:28:53,709 --> 00:28:49,489
is another you really can't you know

585
00:28:57,789 --> 00:28:53,719
overcome essentially yeah so as far as

586
00:28:59,499 --> 00:28:57,799
the cars besides the one well I do want

587
00:29:01,209 --> 00:28:59,509
to just touch on a couple of cars and

588
00:29:03,339 --> 00:29:01,219
then I know you have motorcycles there

589
00:29:06,940 --> 00:29:03,349
too which I think I saw some real

590
00:29:08,870 --> 00:29:06,950
beautiful ones there mmm so what does

591
00:29:11,990 --> 00:29:08,880
besides the Renault of the

592
00:29:13,790 --> 00:29:12,000
Vanderbilt on one if you wouldn't mind

593
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:13,800
touching on a couple of other rare I

594
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:16,170
know you said they're all rare but rare

595
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:17,850
and unusual you may not see at other

596
00:29:26,300 --> 00:29:24,090
other places is right we have a 1905 an

597
00:29:28,690 --> 00:29:26,310
hard lava sore you'll always have to

598
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:28,700
apologize my French accents are terrible

599
00:29:36,670 --> 00:29:32,850
but it's it's a you know 1905 it's a

600
00:29:42,410 --> 00:29:36,680
French luxury car ours is it is it is

601
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:42,420
big is a big but it's it's a beautiful

602
00:29:47,660 --> 00:29:45,450
blue car that was I saw that yeah yeah

603
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:47,670
you know and and it's a car that it's

604
00:29:52,250 --> 00:29:51,450
design is is influenced by by the king

605
00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:52,260
of Belgium

606
00:30:00,470 --> 00:29:56,610
mistress on the the design of the seats

607
00:30:03,050 --> 00:30:00,480
was based on on her suggestions but it's

608
00:30:05,750 --> 00:30:03,060
it's just this also it's just a you know

609
00:30:09,500 --> 00:30:05,760
I it is just one of those cars you look

610
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:09,510
at it and and you both how rudimentary

611
00:30:15,220 --> 00:30:11,970
it is but also how luxurious it is for

612
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:15,230
the era so that's something that we have

613
00:30:28,430 --> 00:30:22,530
we have two rolls-royce's one is a 1914

614
00:30:30,910 --> 00:30:28,440
rolls-royce that was owned by long Alice

615
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:30,920
Longfellow which is longfellows daughter

616
00:30:37,790 --> 00:30:34,170
and this was a car that was over in

617
00:30:40,370 --> 00:30:37,800
Europe during World War one so it's it's

618
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:40,380
a you know it basically saw action and

619
00:30:45,470 --> 00:30:43,170
as it were and then when it came back to

620
00:30:49,580 --> 00:30:45,480
the United States it was owned by a

621
00:30:53,390 --> 00:30:49,590
fellow named Alan eNOS and Bemis was not

622
00:30:56,570 --> 00:30:53,400
only an old car aficionado but he was

623
00:31:01,160 --> 00:30:56,580
also a scientist and he did a lot of

624
00:31:03,380 --> 00:31:01,170
work with weather monitoring on Mount

625
00:31:07,100 --> 00:31:03,390
Washington and he used his rolls-royce

626
00:31:10,220 --> 00:31:07,110
to get monitoring equipment up to the

627
00:31:15,110 --> 00:31:10,230
top of Mount Washington unreal so so we

628
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:15,120
have we have that and we have Clara bows

629
00:31:22,580 --> 00:31:18,530
roll Rolls Royce so this was it's a

630
00:31:26,810 --> 00:31:22,590
1920s Rolls Royce that was was given

631
00:31:30,380 --> 00:31:26,820
Clara Bow as a gift so you know it's

632
00:31:33,110 --> 00:31:30,390
just wonderful to have you know one of

633
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:33,120
one of her cars and have that that row

634
00:31:38,450 --> 00:31:36,450
back to 1920 flapper scenes and you know

635
00:31:40,909 --> 00:31:38,460
Clara Bow very famous they love to drive

636
00:31:43,090 --> 00:31:40,919
fast and had a lot of fast car so you

637
00:31:46,669 --> 00:31:43,100
know this is one of those kinds of cars

638
00:31:48,970 --> 00:31:46,679
mm-hmm and the motorcycles you had you

639
00:31:51,710 --> 00:31:48,980
have some rare motorcycles I know I some

640
00:31:54,500 --> 00:31:51,720
right displaying now is one that has a

641
00:31:59,600 --> 00:31:54,510
steering wheel in the back which is a

642
00:32:01,010 --> 00:31:59,610
red red thing it's a it may have been at

643
00:32:03,919 --> 00:32:01,020
when you one of your auctions I'm not

644
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:03,929
sure hmm so but yeah but let's talk

645
00:32:07,580 --> 00:32:05,970
about a couple of rare motorcycles what

646
00:32:10,190 --> 00:32:07,590
do you have there mm-hmm

647
00:32:11,779 --> 00:32:10,200
so our motorcycle collection is when it

648
00:32:13,130 --> 00:32:11,789
comes to our vehicles it's the the

649
00:32:18,019 --> 00:32:13,140
smallest collection we have we have

650
00:32:22,279 --> 00:32:18,029
about a dozen motorcycles so one of one

651
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:22,289
of the rare ones that we have is a 1901

652
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:24,450
Steffie which is essentially the

653
00:32:30,049 --> 00:32:27,330
beginning of motorcycles um really what

654
00:32:32,870 --> 00:32:30,059
it is is it's a motor mounted on a

655
00:32:35,149 --> 00:32:32,880
bicycle you know Steffi Steffi just made

656
00:32:37,279 --> 00:32:35,159
the motor and the stuff and then it was

657
00:32:38,510 --> 00:32:37,289
up to you to get a bicycle and put it

658
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:38,520
all together uh-huh

659
00:32:44,330 --> 00:32:41,570
it's the the handyman special as it were

660
00:32:47,980 --> 00:32:44,340
but it's it's a beautiful bike and when

661
00:32:52,370 --> 00:32:47,990
you look at it you see that in some ways

662
00:32:54,500 --> 00:32:52,380
motorcycle design hasn't changed from

663
00:32:58,130 --> 00:32:54,510
the beginning you know in in the sense

664
00:33:00,370 --> 00:32:58,140
that you've got the the motor mounted

665
00:33:03,289 --> 00:33:00,380
along the bottom between the wheels

666
00:33:05,899 --> 00:33:03,299
you've got a fuel tank you know

667
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:05,909
positioned between the handlebars and

668
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:09,450
the seat you know it's it's you know

669
00:33:13,820 --> 00:33:11,490
dramatically been improved is far more

670
00:33:16,190 --> 00:33:13,830
reliable you can get a lot more power

671
00:33:20,180 --> 00:33:16,200
out of it but it's it's a much much

672
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:20,190
different you know vehicle yet being the

673
00:33:25,639 --> 00:33:23,450
same Wow well that's great

674
00:33:27,100 --> 00:33:25,649
most people don't like when I ask this

675
00:33:29,299 --> 00:33:27,110
question but I'm gonna ask you anyway

676
00:33:31,789 --> 00:33:29,309
and that is so what's your favorite

677
00:33:35,340 --> 00:33:31,799
thing in the museum what's my favorite

678
00:33:49,210 --> 00:33:41,049
always I know they're all your babies

679
00:33:53,169 --> 00:33:49,220
right let me rephrase that if you could

680
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:53,179
drive one away mister what would you

681
00:33:58,060 --> 00:33:56,090
drive away uh if you were given the keys

682
00:34:00,780 --> 00:33:58,070
to it say hey it's yours for working

683
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:00,790
here mm-hmm

684
00:34:06,460 --> 00:34:04,850
honestly the the the the vehicle that I

685
00:34:09,460 --> 00:34:06,470
would that I would take if I could just

686
00:34:11,909 --> 00:34:09,470
take a car car home every day is one

687
00:34:17,619 --> 00:34:11,919
that's not part of any of our exhibits

688
00:34:21,220 --> 00:34:17,629
it's actually the the truck that our

689
00:34:25,599 --> 00:34:21,230
flight line crew uses during during our

690
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:25,609
summer events it's it's a 1956 Ford

691
00:34:29,409 --> 00:34:28,970
pickup truck there's a red or what color

692
00:34:32,109 --> 00:34:29,419
is it

693
00:34:34,389 --> 00:34:32,119
no it's either the the truck you

694
00:34:37,180 --> 00:34:34,399
probably walked past it and not notice

695
00:34:39,190 --> 00:34:37,190
it because it's just gray you know it's

696
00:34:43,109 --> 00:34:39,200
got our logo on the side so that people

697
00:34:45,369 --> 00:34:43,119
know that it's it's you know ours but

698
00:34:47,859 --> 00:34:45,379
when it comes to that's the thing what I

699
00:34:50,409 --> 00:34:47,869
what I like about it is that you know

700
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:50,419
it's still working after all these years

701
00:34:55,930 --> 00:34:53,450
it has a it has a job and it's and it's

702
00:34:58,570 --> 00:34:55,940
functional and uh but at the same time

703
00:35:00,190 --> 00:34:58,580
you know it's it's still beautiful like

704
00:35:03,190 --> 00:35:00,200
when you look at those nineteen fifties

705
00:35:04,240 --> 00:35:03,200
pickup trucks you know they've got you

706
00:35:07,390 --> 00:35:04,250
know there's there's still a lot of

707
00:35:09,700 --> 00:35:07,400
design and thought that goes into you

708
00:35:11,470 --> 00:35:09,710
know that that hood and and front end of

709
00:35:13,900 --> 00:35:11,480
the truck you know they think they're

710
00:35:16,570 --> 00:35:13,910
still aerodynamic while while they're

711
00:35:18,820 --> 00:35:16,580
they're working hard and you know to me

712
00:35:20,710 --> 00:35:18,830
that's just a that that's the sort of

713
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:20,720
thing that if I was gonna have have a

714
00:35:25,870 --> 00:35:22,130
car to take home and be something like

715
00:35:29,230 --> 00:35:25,880
that yeah I had a 1941 Dodge pickup

716
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:29,240
truck that I just loved and it was one

717
00:35:32,650 --> 00:35:30,530
of those things I was never gonna sell

718
00:35:35,830 --> 00:35:32,660
but you know things change as you go

719
00:35:37,990 --> 00:35:35,840
along in life and and unfortunately I

720
00:35:41,380 --> 00:35:38,000
made the mistake of selling it I'd still

721
00:35:43,210 --> 00:35:41,390
like to have it today and let's talk

722
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:43,220
about the auction because one of the

723
00:35:47,620 --> 00:35:45,050
things out I always wonder when it comes

724
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:47,630
to museums is the funding

725
00:35:52,090 --> 00:35:49,610
is them is the auction actually part of

726
00:35:54,370 --> 00:35:52,100
your annual funding a fundraiser or any

727
00:35:56,290 --> 00:35:54,380
type of yep yeah yep

728
00:36:00,820 --> 00:35:56,300
and that that that that is that is its

729
00:36:03,430 --> 00:36:00,830
purpose you know the the auction I mean

730
00:36:06,070 --> 00:36:03,440
we've got we've got you know two full

731
00:36:10,240 --> 00:36:06,080
time staff who's whose purpose and

732
00:36:13,210 --> 00:36:10,250
function is to organize the the auction

733
00:36:15,370 --> 00:36:13,220
every year you know you know once once

734
00:36:17,860 --> 00:36:15,380
the the you know the auction is the the

735
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:17,870
third Saturday of August every year and

736
00:36:22,090 --> 00:36:20,810
you know September 1 hits they're

737
00:36:25,930 --> 00:36:22,100
already thinking about thought of the

738
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:25,940
auction for the following year the the

739
00:36:35,380 --> 00:36:28,010
auction it you know

740
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:35,390
produces a good 10 to 25 percent of our

741
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:39,050
our revenue of the museum's revenue for

742
00:36:45,790 --> 00:36:42,890
the year not so it's it's it's both very

743
00:36:48,460 --> 00:36:45,800
important but at the same time you know

744
00:36:51,130 --> 00:36:48,470
we realized that you know auctions you

745
00:36:53,710 --> 00:36:51,140
know the auction market changes so we're

746
00:36:57,490 --> 00:36:53,720
always ready to adjust according to

747
00:37:00,070 --> 00:36:57,500
what's happening yeah yeah you know

748
00:37:04,420 --> 00:37:00,080
where we you know on average get about

749
00:37:07,030 --> 00:37:04,430
200 to 230 cars to put through the

750
00:37:10,240 --> 00:37:07,040
auction in the last few years we've also

751
00:37:13,990 --> 00:37:10,250
had an automobile iya auction of gas

752
00:37:15,820 --> 00:37:14,000
pumps and signs and things like that you

753
00:37:17,620 --> 00:37:15,830
know and and that's the that's the thing

754
00:37:19,780 --> 00:37:17,630
when when someone pays their their

755
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:19,790
buyer's premium or their their bitter

756
00:37:23,710 --> 00:37:21,890
registration you know all of that is

757
00:37:26,710 --> 00:37:23,720
stuff that then helps support our

758
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:26,720
ability to do exhibits take care of our

759
00:37:31,750 --> 00:37:29,450
cars put on education programming I mean

760
00:37:34,180 --> 00:37:31,760
all of all of that is yeah they you know

761
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:34,190
the auction helps us fulfill our mission

762
00:37:38,500 --> 00:37:37,130
what can someone do from afar like some

763
00:37:40,810 --> 00:37:38,510
that's listening to this podcast they

764
00:37:43,240 --> 00:37:40,820
can simply go to your website and take a

765
00:37:49,090 --> 00:37:43,250
poke around and see what you have going

766
00:37:50,890 --> 00:37:49,100
on which I it's just simply Owls Head

767
00:37:54,190 --> 00:37:50,900
comm right is that what it is

768
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:54,200
alizée org dot org I always had work for

769
00:38:01,240 --> 00:37:56,450
anyone and I will link that with this

770
00:38:03,190 --> 00:38:01,250
podcast as well and what are

771
00:38:06,609 --> 00:38:03,200
what is the museum looking forward to

772
00:38:08,530 --> 00:38:06,619
when we get through this situation I've

773
00:38:11,530 --> 00:38:08,540
been thinking about that you know if

774
00:38:14,829 --> 00:38:11,540
there are ways that you know the social

775
00:38:17,950 --> 00:38:14,839
distancing could possibly work you know

776
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:17,960
limited visitors I guess

777
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:20,210
so what what are the thoughts about the

778
00:38:25,450 --> 00:38:23,930
reopening possibility well I mean in in

779
00:38:28,720 --> 00:38:25,460
the first place we're really looking

780
00:38:30,849 --> 00:38:28,730
forward to reopening because you know

781
00:38:35,230 --> 00:38:30,859
it's 2020 and it's it's Maine's

782
00:38:38,230 --> 00:38:35,240
Bicentennial and so we have an exhibit

783
00:38:41,319 --> 00:38:38,240
opening the honor of Maine's

784
00:38:43,569 --> 00:38:41,329
Bicentennial but we're planning to open

785
00:38:45,550 --> 00:38:43,579
it in June you know we'd like to still

786
00:38:49,569 --> 00:38:45,560
be able to do that but we'll adjust as

787
00:38:53,620 --> 00:38:49,579
necessary you know and and you know

788
00:38:56,470 --> 00:38:53,630
we're we're talking right now about but

789
00:38:58,870 --> 00:38:56,480
what looks like for the museum you know

790
00:39:01,960 --> 00:38:58,880
realizing that you know it's there's

791
00:39:03,460 --> 00:39:01,970
there's there's you know just you know

792
00:39:05,710 --> 00:39:03,470
just like there's rules for going to the

793
00:39:09,130 --> 00:39:05,720
grocery store these days you know have

794
00:39:11,950 --> 00:39:09,140
to think these things through one of one

795
00:39:16,030 --> 00:39:11,960
of the advantages that we have when it

796
00:39:19,990 --> 00:39:16,040
comes to whatever are our reopening

797
00:39:26,609 --> 00:39:20,000
looks like is that we have a really big

798
00:39:31,170 --> 00:39:26,619
building so you know so we have

799
00:39:35,230 --> 00:39:31,180
opportunities for people to spread out

800
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:35,240
know you know it it's you know so it'll

801
00:39:42,370 --> 00:39:38,930
be a question just how do we manage that

802
00:39:45,010 --> 00:39:42,380
yeah yeah yeah and you know when we're

803
00:39:46,300 --> 00:39:45,020
talking earlier about stories the

804
00:39:48,910 --> 00:39:46,310
thought occurred to me that you probably

805
00:39:50,349 --> 00:39:48,920
have some visitors that have great

806
00:39:52,260 --> 00:39:50,359
stories do you hear a lot of them when

807
00:39:55,210 --> 00:39:52,270
you're you're talking to people there oh

808
00:39:59,440 --> 00:39:55,220
yeah absolutely I mean that's the thing

809
00:40:01,329 --> 00:39:59,450
that very often all of us give tours and

810
00:40:04,450 --> 00:40:01,339
demonstrate vehicles and things like

811
00:40:06,700 --> 00:40:04,460
that all the time you know and you'll

812
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:06,710
always people will start telling you

813
00:40:12,540 --> 00:40:09,770
stories and sometimes I'm I'm not the

814
00:40:14,540 --> 00:40:12,550
one teaching them they're teaching me no

815
00:40:16,250 --> 00:40:14,550
you find out

816
00:40:18,980 --> 00:40:16,260
that you know you're giving someone a

817
00:40:21,500 --> 00:40:18,990
ride in a Model T and they start talking

818
00:40:24,740 --> 00:40:21,510
about you know their grandfather's Model

819
00:40:28,430 --> 00:40:24,750
T or how they learned to drive on their

820
00:40:30,290 --> 00:40:28,440
farm you know in a Model T you know and

821
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:30,300
as you get a lot of first car stories

822
00:40:41,990 --> 00:40:34,170
that way you know people last year we

823
00:40:45,350 --> 00:40:42,000
had a 1941 Ford woody wagon donated to

824
00:40:47,300 --> 00:40:45,360
the museum for the auction and the

825
00:40:50,900 --> 00:40:47,310
number of people who what was on display

826
00:40:54,380 --> 00:40:50,910
at the museum were telling stories about

827
00:40:57,770 --> 00:40:54,390
their youth and their times in Ford

828
00:40:59,570 --> 00:40:57,780
woody wagons you know you just you know

829
00:41:02,720 --> 00:40:59,580
you want it you wish you could just

830
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:02,730
always have a recorder going to catch

831
00:41:06,890 --> 00:41:05,010
these these stories of people's

832
00:41:09,740 --> 00:41:06,900
experiences that's right that's right

833
00:41:13,210 --> 00:41:09,750
the most interesting car I ever sold at

834
00:41:16,430 --> 00:41:13,220
auction just had a wonderful story and

835
00:41:18,050 --> 00:41:16,440
the first time I saw it it wasn't it was

836
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:18,060
basically an auction goer and he said

837
00:41:22,190 --> 00:41:19,530
hey come to my house sometime I want to

838
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:22,200
show you my collection and so I went

839
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:23,010
there and he says let me show you

840
00:41:30,050 --> 00:41:26,130
something downstairs and it was a 1906

841
00:41:35,270 --> 00:41:30,060
or 1904 I can't remember Cadillac one

842
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:35,280
longer it was he grew up on a farm where

843
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:38,370
it was used as a saw they took the back

844
00:41:43,190 --> 00:41:40,290
wheel off and put a belt to a saw blade

845
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:43,200
and used it for a saw and that's how he

846
00:41:50,420 --> 00:41:48,090
grew up and he completely restored it to

847
00:41:53,690 --> 00:41:50,430
perfection it was such a beautiful car

848
00:41:55,010 --> 00:41:53,700
and when he passed away his wife had me

849
00:41:57,770 --> 00:41:55,020
come to the house and I actually sold

850
00:42:00,560 --> 00:41:57,780
the car at auction and it was just a it

851
00:42:02,420 --> 00:42:00,570
really was a tremendous car it was just

852
00:42:05,420 --> 00:42:02,430
wonderful I'd love to hear those things

853
00:42:07,460 --> 00:42:05,430
run and one one last thing I know you

854
00:42:11,780 --> 00:42:07,470
have you have at least one Stanley

855
00:42:15,500 --> 00:42:11,790
Steemer right yes yeah we have a Stanley

856
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:15,510
model cake in our in our collection we

857
00:42:22,100 --> 00:42:18,930
also have a locomobile on loan to us so

858
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:22,110
we're able to tell quite a bit of of the

859
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:25,890
Stanley story in that sense because same

860
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:28,290
model locomobile that the Stanley's you

861
00:42:34,190 --> 00:42:31,370
used to drive up Mount Washington so Wow

862
00:42:36,290 --> 00:42:34,200
yeah yeah that that car is really

863
00:42:38,510 --> 00:42:36,300
interesting to me because you know first

864
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:38,520
of all you could drive anywhere with

865
00:42:43,700 --> 00:42:41,370
that car you know if you all you have to

866
00:42:45,530 --> 00:42:43,710
do is keep the steam going and I know

867
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:45,540
they've actually talked about in the

868
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:48,930
past to revive some type of steam car

869
00:42:53,090 --> 00:42:51,210
you know I just saw I always thought the

870
00:42:56,420 --> 00:42:53,100
the early electric cars and the steam

871
00:42:57,920 --> 00:42:56,430
cars are really very fascinating yeah

872
00:43:00,500 --> 00:42:57,930
yeah and that's it and we have a couple

873
00:43:03,860 --> 00:43:00,510
of electric cars too so the MS thing

874
00:43:05,900 --> 00:43:03,870
actually are our 1912 Woods electric is

875
00:43:08,780 --> 00:43:05,910
is just a few feet away from our to

876
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:08,790
Stanley's and so it's this great

877
00:43:14,240 --> 00:43:11,370
opportunity to talk to people that you

878
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:14,250
know that it wasn't it wasn't obvious

879
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:16,650
that there was gonna be gas property

880
00:43:20,870 --> 00:43:19,530
cars yeah that's right and those

881
00:43:23,420 --> 00:43:20,880
batteries that you just think of the

882
00:43:26,450 --> 00:43:23,430
technology back then you know it's

883
00:43:28,940 --> 00:43:26,460
wonder it's a wonder that didn't succeed

884
00:43:31,700 --> 00:43:28,950
more but it was basically battery

885
00:43:33,590 --> 00:43:31,710
technology because the motor was you

886
00:43:36,410 --> 00:43:33,600
know the motor was easy enough it's just

887
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:36,420
the battery yeah well in a lot of it was

888
00:43:42,650 --> 00:43:40,170
also the size of the United States like

889
00:43:47,900 --> 00:43:42,660
real issue is that you know it's a lot

890
00:43:49,580 --> 00:43:47,910
easier to transport gas and refuel when

891
00:43:50,750 --> 00:43:49,590
you're trying to drive long distances I

892
00:43:53,060 --> 00:43:50,760
mean that's the whole issue even these

893
00:43:55,550 --> 00:43:53,070
days with with you know Tesla's and

894
00:43:58,670 --> 00:43:55,560
electric cars is how far can you get on

895
00:44:00,920 --> 00:43:58,680
a charge that's right you know that's

896
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:00,930
the thing electric cars were really

897
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:03,210
successful in urban areas the taxicab

898
00:44:08,540 --> 00:44:05,970
companies in New York City preferred the

899
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:08,550
electric cars for for many years in the

900
00:44:15,350 --> 00:44:13,530
early 1900s you know and so in that

901
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:15,360
sense it's it's unfortunate when you

902
00:44:21,140 --> 00:44:18,090
realize that the transportation world

903
00:44:23,060 --> 00:44:21,150
could have been you know a different a

904
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:23,070
different technology depending on what

905
00:44:27,650 --> 00:44:25,290
your need was maybe cities could have

906
00:44:29,780 --> 00:44:27,660
all been electric cars and then only

907
00:44:32,230 --> 00:44:29,790
when you went needed to go for a long

908
00:44:35,270 --> 00:44:32,240
distance drive did you need a gas car

909
00:44:39,740 --> 00:44:35,280
last question now what are other plans

910
00:44:39,740 --> 00:44:39,750
that the museum has for the future

911
00:44:43,890 --> 00:44:41,339
well the

912
00:44:47,009 --> 00:44:43,900
the first thing that that comes to mind

913
00:44:51,180 --> 00:44:47,019
right now it you know we've been looking

914
00:44:54,390 --> 00:44:51,190
at how else we can get more of the

915
00:44:56,489 --> 00:44:54,400
museum experience online for people you

916
00:45:00,029 --> 00:44:56,499
know it's it's really unfortunate right

917
00:45:02,489 --> 00:45:00,039
now that people can't see things like

918
00:45:03,870 --> 00:45:02,499
our Stanley steamers or our electric are

919
00:45:05,489 --> 00:45:03,880
you know I mean you can go out you can

920
00:45:08,249 --> 00:45:05,499
go on our website and you can see a

921
00:45:10,289 --> 00:45:08,259
picture of it and and you'll get you

922
00:45:13,700 --> 00:45:10,299
know some some information about it and

923
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:13,710
and it's a you know it's a nice snippet

924
00:45:19,109 --> 00:45:17,170
but it's not the same as standing in

925
00:45:21,930 --> 00:45:19,119
front of it you know so we're kind of

926
00:45:26,130 --> 00:45:21,940
trying to figure out how how can we do

927
00:45:28,589 --> 00:45:26,140
how can we do more stuff you know for

928
00:45:30,450 --> 00:45:28,599
for people who can't come you know and

929
00:45:32,339 --> 00:45:30,460
and part of that is also because you

930
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:32,349
know we are we are in Midcoast Maine

931
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:35,650
there's there's not many roads to us

932
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:37,690
yeah have they decide to come to us

933
00:45:43,559 --> 00:45:40,930
that's wrong so if we can do more to

934
00:45:45,529 --> 00:45:43,569
come to go to other people that's that

935
00:45:48,150 --> 00:45:45,539
would be a great success for us

936
00:45:49,799 --> 00:45:48,160
excellent well thank you so much has

937
00:45:53,039 --> 00:45:49,809
been a real pleasure in the website is

938
00:45:55,469 --> 00:45:53,049
Owls Head org thanks so much

939
00:45:57,059 --> 00:45:55,479
Rob it's been a real pleasure oh you're

940
00:45:59,519 --> 00:45:57,069
welcome thanks thanks for inviting me on

941
00:46:02,099 --> 00:45:59,529
all right everyone so we'll be back with